I think you should look at Thomas Frederick Penfold born 1901 Q1 East Ashford. Purely because it's where Phyllis was at the time she must of met him. :read

I had a real try at it Dennis, but as far as Frederick Thomas Penfold goes, I haven't got anything to add. Most strange.
It's also hard because his christian names get mixed up on the children's birth certificates, so he could be Thomas Frederick or Frederick Thomas?

Anyway, I found 3 other children that she may of had with a Stephen Saunter (married 1921 Cranbrook).

Vera V R Saunter 1922 Cranbrook. (Mother Lawrence)
Peggy V Saunter 1924 East Ashford. " "
Rudolph F P Saunter 1927 East Ashford " "

Hope it helps. :read

Thank you for your interesting post Dennis. I will set to work on it straight away. Do you have the names of the 3 children put into care? You can private message me if you'd prefer. I will do my very best to find out for you.
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I found the 3 children (I think). 1928 Medway. 1929 Medway. 1930 Eastry.?
Also,I expect you have this record, but in case you haven't.......
[color=#0000BF]Will index.[/color]
Frederick Thomas Penfold of High St. Crawley Sussex died 16th June 1933 at Graylingwell Hospital Chichester. Probate London 17 October to John Penfold, Merchant.
Effects £7728 7s 6d

:read :-D

I am trying to trace a Frederick Thomas Penfold who was in Kent area in 1928-1930. During this time he had three children with a Phyllis Lawrence but did not marry her - she later put the children in a home by 1932 by which time she was with another man. As I don't have age of Frederick to work with I need to account for all Frederick Thomas Penfold's around during this time therefore looking at Frederick 1879-1933 the son of John and Jane from Crawley. I know Crawley Frederick married in 1903 and had three children by 1911 but wife and children not with him on 1911 census (had they separated?). Any information would be appreciated.

Dennis

[color=#FF0000]Next is George Nightingale and his family.[/color]
[color=#FF0000]I have already recorded George's Father William Nightingale and George as a young lad earlier in this report. We now follow George from 1881 onwards.[/color]

[color=#0000BF]1881 census, High St, Crawley, Sussex.[/color]
George Nightingale, Head, 28, 1853 Ifield. Publican
Sarah J. Nightingale, Wife, 30, 1841 Framfield Sussex
Kate Nightingale, Daughter, 7, 1874 Crawley. Scholar
Alfred Nightingale, Son, 5, 1876 Crawley. Scholar
Charles Nightingale, Son, 3, 1878 Crawley. Scholar
Annie Denman, Servant, 15, 1866. Servant Domestic
Joseph Hopkins, Servant, 39, 1842 Emsworth. Hertfordshire. Inn Servant
Albert Nye, Lodger, 23, 1858 Stone, Kent. Shepherd
James Wendham, Lodger, 22, 1859 Stone, Kent. Shepherd

[color=#000080]1891 census, The White Hart, High St. Crawley, Sussex[/color]
George Nightingale, Head, 38, 1853 Ifield. Licensed Victualler.
Jane Nightingale, Wife, 40, 1841 Framfield, Sussex.
Alfred Nightingale, Son, 15, 1876 Crawley. Grocers Assistant.
Charles Nightingale, Son, 12, 1879 Crawley. Scholar.
Jane Nightingale, Daughter, 5, 1886 Crawley. Scholar.
James Gates, Lodger, 26, 1865 Copthorne, Sussex. Ostler.
Mary Nightingale, Servant, 28, 1863 Charlwood, Surrey. General Servant.

[center][attachment=2]The White Hart.jpg[/attachment][/center]

[color=#000080]1901 census, The Mitre, 90 St. James Road, Tunbridge Wells, Kent.[/color]
George Knightingale, Head, 48, 1853 Ifield. Licensed Victular of Pub.
Sarah Jane, Wife, 50, 1851 Framfield, Sussex.
Rose Jane Nightingale, Daughter, 15, 1886 Crawley.
Ellen Julia Yeates, Servant, 22, 1879 Bognor, Sussex. Domestic.

[center][attachment=3]The Mitre.png[/attachment][/center]

[color=#000080]England & Wales Probate Calender. Wills. 1861-1941.[/color]
George Nightingale of The Roebuck Inn Camden Road Tunbridge Wells died 27 March 1916 Probate London 6th May to Sarah Jane Nightingale widow and Lewis George Coath solicitors clerk.
Effects £1904 8s.

[center][attachment=1]the Roebuck Pub.jpg[/attachment][/center]

[color=#000080]England & Wales Probate Calender. Wills. 1861-1941.[/color]
Sarah Jane Nightingale of 74 St. James'-Rd Tunbridge Wells widow died 20th February 1924 Probate London 9th April to Lewis George Coath solicitors clerk and John William Harmer grocer.
Effects £856 12s 8d.

[center][attachment=0]74 St James Rd.png[/attachment][/center]

[color=#FF0000]George Nightingale married Sarah Jane Seamer in 1873 East Grinstead, Sussex.[/color]
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[highlight=#ff80ff]Useful links[/highlight].

http://www.sussexpostcards.info/publishers.php?PubID=313

[color=#FF0000]Next along is Frederick Russell and his family.[/color]

[color=#000080]1841 census, Crawley, Sussex.[/color]
Louisa Russell, Widow, 35, 1806 Sussex.
Thomas Russell, 20, 1821 Sussex. Hairdresser.
James Russell, 15, 1826 Sussex.
Frederick Russell, 12, 1829 Sussex.
Walter Russell, 10, 1831 Sussex.
Rachel Russell, 7, 1834 Sussex.
Mary Russell, 5, 1836 Sussex.
Louisa Russell, 2, 1839 Sussex.

[color=#000080]1851 census, Crawley, Sussex.[/color]
Louisa Russell, Head, Widow, 46, 1805 Crawley.
Frederick Russell, Son, 22, 1829 Crawley. Hairdresser.
Walter Russell, Son, 20, 1831 Crawley. Painter.

[color=#000080]1861 census, Crawley St. Crawley, Sussex.[/color]
Louisa Russell, Head, Widow, 60, 1801 Crawley.
Frederick Russell, Son, 32, 1829 Crawley. Hairdresser.
Rachel Russell, Daughter, 27, 1834 Crawley.
Louisa Russell, Daughter, 11, 1840 Crawley. Scholar.

[color=#000080]1871 census, Crawley St. Crawley, Sussex.[/color]
Frederick Russell, Head, 42, 1829 Crawley. Naturalist.
Hannah Russell, Wife, 55, 1816 ([color=#FF0000]unreadable, looks like Nailand?[/color]).

[color=#000080]1881 census, High St. Crawley, Sussex.[/color]
Frederick Russell, Head, Widower, 57, 1824 Crawley. Stationer.
Julia Cawley, Assistant, 37, 1844 Bletchingley, Surrey. Assistant Stationer.
Isabella Russell, Niece, 19, 1862 Brighton. Assistant Stationer.

[color=#000080]England & Wales Probate Calender. Wills. 1861-1941.[/color]
24th February. The Will of Frederick Russell late of Crawley in the County of Sussex Stationer who died 11th January 1888 at Crawley was proved at the Principal Registry by Alfred Cawley of 30 Grove-Hill-Road Tunbridge Wells in the County of Kent Commercial Traveller and John Hollman of Crawley Bootmaker the Executors.
Personal Estate £444 3s 9d.

[color=#000080]1867 Kellys directory of Sussex[/color]
Frederick Russell, Hairdresser, Bird Stuffer & News Agent

[color=#FF0000]Next along in the 1881 census of Crawley High Street is widow Jane Skinner.[/color]

[color=#000080]1861 census, Lodge House, Slaugham, Sussex.[/color]
William Skinner, Head, 38, 1823 Slaugham. Ag. Lab.
Jane Skinner, Wife, 28, 1833 Basingstoke, Hampshire.
Emma Skinner, Daughter, 2, 1859 Slaugham.
Henry W. Skinner, Son, 10 months, 1860 Slaugham.

[color=#000080]1871 census, Crawley St. Crawley, Sussex.[/color]
Jane Skinner, Head, Widow, 38, 1833 Basingstoke, Hampshire. Works a mangle.
Henry W. Skinner, Son, 10, 1861 Slaugham. Scholar.
Sarah J. Skinner, Daughter, 7, 1864 Slaugham. Scholar.

[color=#000080]1881 census, High Street, Crawley, Sussex.[/color]
Jane Skinner, Head, Widow, 48, 1833 Basingstoke, Hampshire. Mangling.

[color=#000080]1891 census,[/color] ([color=#FF0000]Next door to Crawley Station[/color]) [color=#000080]West Green, Ifield, Sussex.[/color]
Jane Skinner, Widow, 59, 1832 Hampshire. Mangler (unemployed).

[color=#000080]1901 census, Cross Keys, Crawley, Sussex.[/color]
Jane Skinner, Head, Widow, 68, 1833 Basingstoke, Hampshire. Mangling (working at home).

[color=#000080]England & Wales Probate Calender. Wills. 1861-1941.[/color]
9th March. Letters of Administration of the Personal estate and effects of William Skinner late of Worth in the County of Sussex Labourer deceased who died 22 December 1865 at St. Marys Hospital, Paddington in the County of Middlesex were granted at Lewes to Jane Skinner of Crawley in the County of Sussex aforesaid Widow the Relict of the said Deceased she having been first sworn.
Effects under £100.

[color=#FF0000]Jane Skinner (nee Daniels) died in 1904 Horsham, West Sussex aged 71.[/color]

[color=#FF0000]Henry William Skinner, her son, became a Baker and was living and working as such, at the White Hart in Crawley High Street in 1901 with his wife Emily and children Maud and Harry.[/color]

[color=#FF0000]William Skinner married Jane Daniels on the 23rd July 1857 Worth.[/color]

[color=#FF0000]The next along is John Court and his family. [/color] [color=#FF0000]John Court married Ellen Tullett, a widow with 2 children in 1866 Horsham.[/color]

[center][attachment=1]Ellen Court nee Tullett born Wisborough Green 1835-.jpg[/attachment][/center]

[color=#FF0000]Their daughter Ellen married joseph Izard. Here they are outside 62 Ifield Rd, Crawley, Sussex.[/color]

[center][attachment=2]Joseph Izard and Ellen J. Izard outside 62 Ifield Rd, Crawley..jpg[/attachment][/center]

[color=#FF0000]Their son Joseph J. Izard (1895-1975) married Mary A. Holman (1883-1968) on the 3rd August 1918 Ardingly, Sussex.[/color]
[center][attachment=0]Joseph J. Izard and Mary A. Holman on their wedding day Aug. 1918.jpg[/attachment][/center]

[color=#000080]1851 census, Crawley, Sussex.[/color]
Charles Court, Head, 38, 1813 Horsham. Labourer.
Lucy Court, Wife, 32, 1819 Horsham.
Martha Court, Daughter, 9, 1842 Crawley.
John Court, Son, 6, 1845 Crawley.
Anna Court, Daughter, 4, 1847 Crawley.
George Court, son, 1, 1850 Crawley.

[color=#000080]1861 census, Crawley St, Crawley, Sussex.[/color]
Joseph Andrews, Head, 36, 1825 Sherington, Kent. Tinman.
Rhoda Andrews, Wife, 39, 1822 Horsham.
John Court, Apprentice, 16, 1845 Crawley. Tinmans Apprentice.
William Rump, Lodger, 25, 1836 Wanstead, Norfolk. Carpenter.
George Dowland, Lodger, 29, 1832 Ireland. Sergeant 2/17 of Foot.
Marie Anne Dowland, Lodger, 25, 1836 Norfolk.
William Billings, Lodger, 22, 1839 Fletching sussex. Shoemaker.

[color=#000080]1871 census, Ifield, Sussex.[/color]
John Court, Head, 26, 1845 Crawley. Labourer.
Ellen Court, Wife, 36, 1835 West Grinstead, Sussex.
Ben Tullett, Stepson, 11, 1860 Burstow, Surrey. Scholar.
John Tullett, Stepson, 8, 1863 Burstow.
Ellen Tullett, Daughter, 4, 1867 Ifield.
Charles Court, Son, 2, 1869 Ifield.

[color=#000080]1881 census, High Street, Crawley, Sussex.[/color]
COURT, John Head Married M 36 1845 Crawley. Glazier
COURT, Ellen Wife Married F 46 1835 Wisboro Green
TULLETT, Ben Stepson Single M 20 1861 Burstow, Surrey. Bricklayers Lab
COURT, Charles L Son Single M 17 1864 Ifield. Newspaper Boy
COURT, Hephzibah Daughter Single M 7 1874 Ifield. Scholar
COURT, George Son Single M 5 1876 Crawley. Scholar
COURT, Joseph Son Single M 0 1881 Crawley.

[color=#FF0000]John Court died in 1884 Horsham, Sussex aged 39. Joseph Court died in 1967 Worthing, Sussex aged 86.[/color]

[color=#FF0000]Next is John Penfold and his family.[/color]
[color=#FF0000]John's Mother was Sarah Penfold (nee Easton 1825-1848) first wife of John Penfold senior 1807-1879.
The second wife was Lydia Penfold (nee Chatfield 1827-1903).[/color]
[color=#FF0000]He married Sarah Easton in 1838 Slaugham, Sussex and Lydia Chatfield in 1850 East Grinstead, Sussex.[/color]
Lydia is pictured below, on the right.

[center][attachment=0]Lydia Penfold nee Chatfield with brother Charles and wife on their 50th anniversary.jpg[/attachment][/center]

[color=#000080]1851 census, Forge Farm, Worth, Sussex.[/color]
John Penfold, Head, 43, 1808 Ifield, Sussex. Farmer of 80 Acres employing 2 labourers.
Lydia Penfold, Wife, 26, 1825 Pulborough, Sussex.
John Penfold, Son, 11, 1840 Crawley. Employed on the Farm.
Jane Penfold, Daughter, 9, 1842 Slaugham. Scholar.
Richard Penfold, Son, 7, 1844 Worth. Scholar.
Reubin Penfold, Son, 3, 1848 Worth. (his mother Sarah dies in 1848).
Amy Penfold, Daughter, 8 months, 1850 Worth.
Edward Penfold, Nephew, 20, 1831 Worth. Farm Servant.
Mary Brooker, Servant, 13, 1838 Worth. General Servant.
Thomas Brooker, Lodger, 35, 1816 Worth. Ag. Lab.
([color=#FF0000]and next door[/color])
John Penfold, Head, 30, 1821 Buckland, Surrey. Ag. Lab.
Mary Penfold, Wife, 23, 1828 Slaugham, Sussex.
John Penfold, Son, 5, 1846 Ifield. Scholar.
Ellen Penfold, Daughter, 3, 1848 Worth.
Sarah Penfold, Daughter, 8 months, 1850 Worth.
Thomas Sadler, Lodger, Widow, 70, 1781 Crawley. Ag. Lab.
Elizabeth Sayers, Sister, Married, 25, 1826 Slaugham.
Sarah Sayers, Niece, 3 months, 1850 Crawley.

[color=#000080]1861 census, Heath house, Charlwood, Surrey.[/color]
Thomas Brown, Head, 80, 1781 Charlwood. Farmer of 260 Acres, employing 5 labourers.
Jane Brown, Wife, 69, 1792 Charlwood.
Esther Brown, Daughter, 46, 1815 Charlwood.
Thomas Brown, Son, 45, 1816 Charlwood. Fathers Assistant.
Thomas Brown, Grandson, 11, 1850 Charlwood. Scholar.
Sarah Brown, Sister-in-Law, 64, 1797 Charlwood. Nurse.
Ann Booty, 11, 1850 Charlwood. House Servant.
John Penfold, 22, 1839 Crawley. Agricultural Servant.
Richard Penfold, 17, 1844 Charlwood. Ag. Carter.
Stephen Goering, 16, 1845 Worth. Ag. Boy.
John Ware, 16, 1845 Horley. Ag. Boy.

[color=#000080]1871 census, 3 New Street Gardens, Horsham, Sussex.[/color]
John Penfold, Head, 31, 1840 Crawley. Store Keeper.
Jane Penfold, Wife, 30, 1841 Horsham.
Kate Penfold, Daughter, 3, 1868 Horsham.
William White, Lodger, 22, 1849 Warnham, Sussex. Sawyer.

[color=#000080]1881 census, High Street, Crawley, Sussex.[/color]
PENFOLD, John Head Married M 41 1840 Worth. Corn & Seed Merchant Employing 3 Hands
PENFOLD, Jane Wife Married F 39 1842 Horsham
PENFOLD, Kate Daughter Single F 13 1868 Horsham. Scholar
PENFOLD, John Son Single M 9 1872 Ifield. Scholar
PENFOLD, Frederick J Son Single M 1 1880 Crawley
NIGHTINGALE, Moses Servant Single M 19 1862 Ifield. Corn Shopman
STOW, Elizabeth C Visitor Single F 17 1864 Shoreham Sussex.

[color=#000080]1891 census, high Street, Crawley, Sussex.[/color]
John Penfold, Head, 51, 1840 Crawley. Corn Merchant.
Jane Penfold, Wife, 49, 1842 Horsham.
Kate Penfold, Daughter, 23, 1868 Horsham. Saleswoman.
John Penfold, Son, 19, 1872 Ifield. Salesman.
Frederick T. Penfold, Son, 11, 1880 Crawley. Scholar.

J[color=#FF0000]ohn Penfold died in 1895 Horsham, Sussex, aged 55. He married Jane Shaw in 1866 Horsham.[/color]